I normally write about what I’ve been up to with builds, but sometimes I just need to get some of my ramblings and thoughts written down as it helps me to work out what to do. This time it’s on components as my brain ponders with the dilemma of what parts to fit to a new build. It is the age old question of Campagnolo versus Shimano! It is a really contentious issue in this era of bikes.

If you mention the word “Shimano” to some folk in the vintage cycling world, you face being mocked. To the purists, it is sacrilege, even treason to even think about anything other than Italian components on top end racing machines.
I posted about my new frame, SB6560, which dates to 1984, and I was initially thinking about how to complete the build and what parts to use. If I wanted to build a bike that was used by the Panasonic Raleigh team in that same year, I would have to go down the route of Campagnolo Super Record; my OCD would also want correct date coded parts and period correct features for the parts that didn’t have a stamped date code. But that route would end up being so similar to my other build, the 1980 TI-Raleigh which I built to the exact specification of the TI-Raleigh Team of the early 80s.

I could also go in the opposite direction and fit something modern. Because SB6560 is made from Reynolds 531, I can modify the rear spacing in the frame to easily accommodate the wider rear hubs needed for modern 11 speed groups. All the other fittings on the frame, even though it is over 30 years old, are compatible with modern components.

So Panasonic Raleigh at the time were not using Shimano. The Raleigh-Weinmann team that launched in 1984 also stayed away from Shimano. They fitted a mixture of Simplex, Weinmann, Maillard and EDCO to their SBDU frames. So what was wrong with Shimano. It had after all been making bike parts for years and the “DURA-ACE” range was available from the early 70s. The answer is ‘nothing’. Nothing was wrong with it, it just couldn’t make the break into top flight use; that area was dominated by Campagnolo. It was essentially a war between the Italians and the Japanese and the Italians dominated.
You can’t get away from the advances that Campagnolo brought to cycling. Even everyday parts such as the rear derailleur and quick release hub both owe their existence to Campagnolo. In my opinion, the Campagnolo product stayed the same too long; the design and functionality of Super Record in it’s last years during the mid 80s was the same as it was all the way during the 70s since its introduction in 1973, with only very slight changes between 1st and 2nd generation. The product only changed in 1977 because of changes brought upon it by a US Consumer Products Safety Commission safety design.
While Campagnolo continued to have a reputation for everlasting bearing surfaces, beautiful finishes and components that looked like works of art, I think they took their eye off the game with technology. Their new Record group set (also called C-Record, Record C or Corsa Record) introduced in 1986 was beautiful, some consider it to be the best looking bike components ever produced, including the famous Delta brakes.

Meanwhile, starting in the late 70s, Shimano were designing and working on some radical aerodynamic components and quickly feeding those designs and technologies down the product line. Dura-ace EX was introduced in 1978 with Dura-ace AX in 1981, which was a beautifully designed aerodynamic group set.


I personally think it was 1984 when the Italian domination began to crack as Shimano introduced the 7400 series group set and within that, index gears in the form of ‘SIS – Shimano Index System’. Starting with 7400 6 speed and moving to 7401 7 speed and 7402 8 speed.

It took a few years for Campagnolo to join the race for indexing with it’s ‘Syncro’ product which they introduced a few years after Shimano 7400. It was very quickly replaced with ‘Syncro II’ a year or two later. My bike mechanic career started in the late 80s in what seemed to be the middle of the great Campagnolo versus Shimano battle. Everybody had an opinion and stuck to their favourite brand. The rivalry was so intense, other manufacturers such as Suntour quietly died away.
Shimano was starting to pull away from Campagnolo simply because of its index gearing. It was the ‘Killer App’, to use a software term, that made you want Shimano. To help Shimano even more, It was the start of the mountain bike revolution and 90% of mountain bikes came equipped with Shimano. The remaining bikes were probably equipped with Suntour; before Shimano killed off them too. Campagnolo never seemed to get it right with mountain bikers.
Campagnolo struggled badly with Syncro, it just didn’t seem to work. There were coloured gear lever inserts, and cross reference tables of which insert would work with which freewheel and chain combination, followed by lots of trying to get it right with setup. When they did work, they were almost agricultural in performance as they were very clunky. Shimano was getting smoother and quieter and just seemed to work almost from the point of fastening the parts to the frame with minimal setup.
Then in 1991, Shimano pushed the limits again with STI – Shimano Total Integration. Dual control levers that operated both the gears and brakes from the handlebars. They beat Campagnolo to it again. Campagnolo introduced their Ergopower version a year later in 1992.

My opinion is that the battle was over in 1991 – it had taken Shimano 7 years but they had managed to release the strangle hold that Campagnolo had on the racing market.
All that rambling and research and getting things written down has worked. In the time it has taken to write this blog post and remembering how things were in the 80s, I’ve decided; I’m 100% certain now that I’m going to use 7400 DURA-ACE. It was the best group set available at the time, full of innovation and technology and years ahead of it’s main rival. A perfect partner for my frame.
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I have a 7400 Groupset which I have polished the laquer off. It looked amazing as a mirror finish but obviously very prone to corrosion. I know this is a heinous crime to prurists but I love it.
Undoubtedly the 7400 group made the 80s what the 50s were for campagnolo. By the 1970s Tulio Campagnolo, a man, an imagination and a recognisable face was due for retirement without a worthy heir. In gaining indexed gears and aero brakes we lost solidity and longevity for example a record bottom bracket with rifled cups instead of flymsy seals, the llasted an eternity with little attention, without friction or drag. I’ve always wanted a bike with the first indexed shimano 600 group, but I do feel like the 80s brought about a mass produced throw away element
Hi Craig, thank you for the comment. It’s always great that people do these two things, to read my blog and to also take the time to comment. I wish more people would.
I do agree to some point. There was an explosion of bike use during the 80s, especially towards the end of the 80s, I was there, in a bike shop dealing with the mountain bike boom. We could not get enough bikes. Bike ranges had a diverse range of components, and a lot of it was trash, destined to last no more than a year.
This boom drove innovation and most manufacturers had their top/middle line groups. But most also had terrible stuff, including Campagnolo, Shimano, Suntour and Sachs. The boom killed off brands such as Suntour, no one could compete with Shimano and Campagnolo. I could look at a new bike at a certain price point, regardless of component manufacturer and know that the bike would be a pain to setup and probably be back from the customer several times.
I literally see thousands of bikes a year, vintage bikes, bikes from the last 20 years and modern bikes – and they all suffer. Even the acclaimed Record BB, I see lots of these that are worn out. I’ve thrown away several Super Record fork crown races in the last year, pitted and worn.
The Shimano 600 group you mentioned (6208) is actually a solid group, I am running several of them and they are bullet proof, you can throw these groups onto a bike and they just work. Hubs, headsets and bottom brackets are all good.
I think there is good and bad in everything, it wasn’t all bad.
Cheers
Neil